Dear ‘Elitest Horror Fan’ love from ‘The Gorehound’

I put this picture up as a fair warning, hopefully WordPress won’t be lame and actually show it as my main story image. If it doesn’t here is my second warning. Please do not under any circumstances read this post if you are triggered by words of extreme violence and horror. I will be talking about the sickiest films that have been made mainstream and most may be talked about in further detail. These are all fictional films, none of them are real snuff films or anything like that, and if you are a ‘gorehound’ like me, some of this post may even be laughable to you. Either way I do not want you to think badly of me or for me to accidently make you uncomfortable in any way. This post is a reply to a post that angered me, because I really enjoyed the blog up until this post. I am not mentioning which blog nor is this person following me. So please, these movies are past the realm of normal cinema and could be triggering. I don’t expect likes or anything I am merely venting. PLEASE STOP READING BEYOND THIS POINT IF YOU ARE NOT INTERESTED OR ARE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH HORROR FILMS.

So I stumbled upon this post where this person was comparing those on the horror forums to ‘window lickers’ of the horror community. In this persons opinion most of the people on these forums were just interested in gore, vomit, rape, basically just the shock value of these films. A few of these films that they’ve added on the list, or just as their added additions are clearly more personal opinion over anything as they are well known and have been shown in cinemas. I got incredibly angry at this persons opinion, there are some classics on the list, and for someone who gave Insidious such a rave review I now no longer consider their opinion justified anymore.

The thing is about reviews they are just personal opinion, I get that. But when you purely think horror is about the supernatural and jumpscares, maybe even a bit of slasher, then I think you are being biased. Because there are different sub genres to the whole horror genre, you can’t just say this is part of the genre but this isn’t. You have your supernatural horrors, your slasher films, your zombie/epidemic films, but then you have your exploitation, your extreme, your ‘torture porn’ as it’s been coined in recent times. How can you possibly say that these aren’t real horrors because according to you they are nothing more then violence and gore, these things are disturbing, they make you uncomfortable and they play on your mind, all of these things can cause genuine fear in some people. And horror films are designed to scare people. Plus horrific is a good way to describe these movies so they do, whether you like it or not, belong in the genre.

And for someone who likes to pick apart horror films to find the hidden meaning behind films, I think it’s pretty fair to say that you haven’t done the same things with these films. You see the blood and gore and all of a sudden it’s not worth your time, they’ve cheapened out the thrill for you by packing it with a substance that you deem unnecessary. You know how I can compare that to what you consider ‘true horror’? Fucking jumpscares, supernatural ghost movies nowadays are so full of jumpscares that I don’t even jump anymore because it’s so easy to predict when they’re coming up. Music’s building, the jumpscare won’t happen here, music’s gone dead, walk a little more, bam, ghost jumped in front/ghost turned around/ghost appeared at window, omg I’m so startled! But that’s exactly what it is, a startle, it’s not true fear. And that’s the same with gore films, it’s there to impact the viewer, make them feel all the disgustingness of the situation, and in that same token you can become just as hardened to that in the same way as jumpscares.

If you don’t like incessant amounts of blood and gore and no great plot then why are you ok with zombie films? That doesn’t make sense at all!

On to this list then, or the supposed list they made while looking up the most disturbing/sickest movies of all time:

  • A Serbian Film (2010)
  • Salo, or the 120 Days of Sodom (1975)
  • Irreversible (2002)
  • Saw* (2004)
  • Hostel* (2005)
  • Cannibal Holocaust (1980)
  • Human Centerpede (2010)
  • Men Behind The Sun (1988)
  • Flowers Of Flesh & Blood (1985)
  • The Last House On The Left (1972)
  • I Spit On Your Grave (1978)
  • The Exorcist (1973)
  • Audition (1999)

I guess Saw and Hostel get those stars as they just hate these films but know they don’t really belong on this list as they were played in cinemas with an overall good reception.

They put these other films in brackets as some of the other ones that this person also hates (Ichi The Killer, Switchblade Romance, The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Eraserhead, Antichrist, Martyrs, A Clockwork Orange).

I’ve just got to quickly rant about this bracketed list as it’s beyond silly… What the fuck is Eraserhead doing there?! It’s a black and white arthouse film with absolutely no gore in it at all, no cursing, nothing but weird images that freaked people out, tonnes of suspense, in short, the very definition of what this person considers a true horror to be! Ichi The Killer is based off a manga, so therefore the gore and violence was overdone as it was trying to be like a cartoon. The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, one of the original slasher films, barely any gore, just a lot of visuals of torture devices and a lot of chasing to build tension, considered a true horror masterpiece. Antichrist was an arthouse film so pumped full of messages and ideologies it was a movie reviewers dream to pick apart, the gore was barely there and was completely justified to the plot when it did happen. A Clockwork Orange, cmon man that’s hitting pretty low, why say you’re into horror films when you can’t even handle a movie like this? This is a Stanley Kubrick masterpiece, it is shot so well, the script, everything was so well done, the violence and rape was necessary to build a certain feeling towards the main character, to then have your idea of morality ripped away leaving you to ponder the very essence of right or wrong. One of my all time favourite movies. Martyrs is also a great film of recent times, part of the ‘new wave of French exploitation films’. That movie had just about everything I could want in a horror. Great character building, scary scenes and brilliant ending, even an overall philosophical theme running through. I can’t talk about Switchblade Romance or High Tension, it’s something I’ve been meaning to see, it’s also a French exploitation film.

Back to the main list which they also sectioned out. I’ll put their version then mine:

‘Two are revolting exploitation films that masquerade as meaningful examples of cinema (A Serbian Film and Men Behind The Sun)’

Look, A Serbian Film is one that gets thrown around a lot in forums by mainly teenage boys as the sickest most disturbing film ever. It’s one that has a pretty bad reputation as something that is truly sickening to watch. As someone who’s seen it (which I don’t believe this person has as anyone who would enjoy watching this stuff is just as messed up as the person who made it according to them) it’s more hyped up then anything. It’s banned pretty well everywhere and it is really hard to find and English subbed one online, but I found it and I watched it. Because movies like this intrigue me, I can’t lie. I want to know what all the hype is about. The plot is pretty fucked up, it’s about an ex porn star that’s struggling with money to look after his wife and son. So he reluctantly takes on a job that he doesn’t know much about thinking it’s going to be a regular movie. The movie is actually a snuff film where he actually gets drugged, does some pretty terrible things then gets shown what he’s done. I don’t want to particularly go into this because it’s a truly sick film and if you want to know why this movie is banned everywhere then look it up yourself. But out of these 2 that they’ve mentioned, this one was shot really well, the cinematography is really good. It’s not shot like a grimy, true to life snuff film which how movies like An August Underground was shot like. This movie was shot like this because its intention was to be a take on the oppression of Serbia or whatever it is the director was trying to get accross. It’s just that the themes and the sickening scenes overshadowed it so much that it just ended up being a sick, horrible movie. It’s probably got more notoriety at the moment as 2010 is fairly recent. Men Behind The Sun however, was pretty clear in the message it was depicting. It’s about the atrocities and experiments that the Japanese did on the Chinese in World War II. The thing is it’s incredibly graphic with a very long running time, the movie is just based upon this one subject so you kind of start forgetting the point of the film, which is just how truly horrific the war was. And films like this, in my opinion, get the point accross very well because war was horrific, just like what is depicted in this film.

‘A further 3 are exploitation but with a little more substance and comparatively realistic pretences (I Spit On Your Grave, Salo, Last House On The Left)’

Out of the 3, 2 of them are rape revenge films. How is watching a women get violently gang raped then going on a killing spree a movie with substance? Both I Spit On Your Grave and Last House On The Left are movies where they graphically depict the rape yet not as graphically depict the revenge violence. How is this more of a realistic pretence then Men Behind The Sun which is based on true events? And then Salo, a movie of a bunch of rich sick fucks that get a handful of basically children and submit then to extreme torture, humiliation and overall disgusting things such as being forced to eat human excrement. How is this more substance and in any way a realistic pretence? The only things you’ve proven with these films is that they indeed deserve to be on a most disturbing cinema list. I personally am not really a fan of the last 5 films that were covered, but this is horror, true horror, this shit impacts people which is the whole point of horror.

‘Of the rest 7 are unashamedly, gore-mongering, gross-out nasties of varying quality and substance (with Audition and the Exorcist at the top end of the scale and Saw, Hostel, Human Centerpede, Flowers Of Flesh & Blood, Cannibal Holocaust at the bottom end)’

Fuck you! Fuck you for even putting Audition and the Exorcist on this list. Out of all the Takeshi Miike films you could’ve justifiably put up there you put Audition on the list. One that has a grand total of one really violent scene that lasts a grand total of 5 minutes right at the end. Takeshi Miike is a brilliant film-maker who makes his films on purpose like that to invoke a particular emotion in his audience. Out of all his films, Audition is the most unique. It is a psychological thriller, with a slow build up and interesting dream sequence attached, the violence is PIVITOL to the character! And where’s the over the top gore in the Exorcist! Is vomit classed in the gore category now! You found it on the most disturbing movies of all time but look again and you’ll find its up the top of most lists of scariest movies of all time! Because it was scary, I got scared first time I watched it, my father who say it at the cinemas when it came out still gets nightmares to this day about it! It’s a horror film, a true horror, in no way is it a video nastie! Saw, Hostel and Human Centerpede were gory and purely made to exploit the genre but guess what. They were fairly original ideas, I mean Quinten Tarantino was part of Hostel, I don’t see you bitching about Tarantino films! Flowers Of Flesh & Blood is part of the 7 part Guinea pig film franchise, the only reason this one gets named is coz Charlie Sheen saw it and thought it was real and called the FBI about it. Lol, Charlie Sheen made a crappy movie famous. But how dare you even throw Cannibal Holocaust in that league though. It is the first found footage films ever made! It inspired films like the Blair Witch Project and Paranormal Activity that you rave so highly about. It is an integral part of the history of horror.

‘Irreversible out of all of them is a drama piece with a few disturbing scenes, how dare anyone put it in the same league as Saw or Hostel’

How can you be ok with this film? It deserves it’s place on that list a fuckload more then Audition or the Exorcist. That film gained it’s notoriety for the longest rape scene in film history! You get to sit through 10 fucking minutes of a woman getting anally raped, completely raw, no music, no pretty lighting or camera angles. This holds artistic value to you? Because to me the drama and deep messages gets completely drowned out by a 10 minute scene of pure exploitation.

I suggest you not call yourself a horror movie fan. You aren’t, you are nothing more then a hypocritical cherry picker with a complex. Get the fuck down off your high horse before you start calling people like me, with an appreciation of all the sub genres that make up the whole genre, fucking window lickers. Arrogant fuck. Sorry for the incredibly long post for anyone who chose to read this. Rant over.

 

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16 thoughts on “Dear ‘Elitest Horror Fan’ love from ‘The Gorehound’

  1. Talk about informative!
    If one reviewed rants, I would title my review of this particular thusly:
    An immaculate rant!

    On the subject;
    I have unfortunately a terrible memory; or I’d engage with you much deeper on the subject of horror movies as I have been moved by a handful, and seeing how knowledgable you are on the matter it would be great fun to pick your brain on several movies (there’s nothing quite like having a chat with a genre buff!)
    Another perhaps.
    But on the points you made; I completely appreciate the frustration with snooty folk who not only dismiss people with opposing views but express the most bewildering opions on subjects they are suppose to be well informed about(?)

    Every time people put up lists they invariable include several bewildering objects that appear to be made of horse shit and their sense of ill-placed grandeur (ie. No the wine does not taste like the giggles of a baby)

    In any case; this was a top rant which (If I’m honest), read more like a brilliant informative critique. Not only on Elitist Horror Fans but on the difference between good cinema and indulgent “watch-her-suffer-long-time” fetishists.

    Great post. Adieu.

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  2. Whew! Well ranted! I’ve got to agree with you; whoever the original ‘reviewer’ is, he’s into female subjugation and rape. Seems the definition of a good film for him is whether or not it gets his dick hard.

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    1. The reviewer is actually female… I didn’t want to put the gender up because I don’t think it’s incredibly important but I think it’s more along the lines that they seem to think gore and violence is more offensive then rape, so for her movies like I Spit On Your Grave is justified enough but clearly has no idea how exploitative that film is. Because it’s far from a female empowerment film, like most seem to think it is.

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      1. Oh goddess! You’re kidding, right? That was a horrible fucking film. Horrible. Yes, it hit the horror genre – thru that rape. Very, very hard to see. Very, very triggering. The fucking film should come with a blatant warming. It is NOT empowering. At all.

        I’m truly amazed the review is a woman. Must be some princess in a tower that never had anything bad happen to her. And if she hasn’t added any Tarantino – with his FOUNTAINS of blood – then she really is a hypocrite.

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      2. Lots of holes in her statements. I don’t completely disagree with rape in films, but it needs to be necessary and used appropriately. I’m pretty deadened to it now because I’ve watched so much of it, but for me, that’s what put films near the top for extreme disturbing cinema for me. This argument was purely because she has this unnecessary hatred toward saw and Hostel. I don’t understand why, it’s not like it’s easy to take them seriously, nothing wrong with a bit of interesting gore scenes.

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      3. I thought Saw was one of the more original horror franchises to come out in the last decade. I like all of them. Rape scenes, tho…The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo bothered me tremendously; I was covering my eyes and squirming in my seat the first time I watched it. However, that’s vital to what happens next, so in the end I can watch the entire film. Rape for the sake of rape – or, more often, titillation – is bullshit. I hate it. Hate the people who make it. Hate the people who LIKE it enough to keep the genre alive. Why not just paint the screen with twenty foot letters proclaiming WOMEN WANT TO BE RAPED across it.

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      4. I completely agree with that. But the girl with the Dragon tattoo was a book before it was a movie and all of what happened to her was integral to her development, it made it all the more satisfying when she got her revenge, which wasn’t over the top or used as a way to excite sick fucks in a different way. A Clockwork Orange was also a book which actually got tamed down a lot in the movie, Stanley Kubrick himself was slightly ashamed for making it therefore it did not even get aired till the late 90s even though it was made in the 70s but again was necessary to show how horrendous the gang and character was and played upon your feelings of whether or not what happened to him was justified. Movies like rob Zombies remake of Halloween for example was a disgusting excuse to put in a scene that served absolutely no purpose to any character, it was to justify mike Myers killing them but still, they way he made the film you already understood what turned mike Myers into a psycho so it was still completely unnecessary. I hate rob zombie and the shitty films he makes. Irreversible is also a great example of an unnecessary scene that people parade as a brilliant drama, the other violent scene did enough, 10 minutes is not necessary to get your point across in a film that isn’t meant to be horror, that’s the part of her argument that triggered me to write this. I enjoyed the saw franchise too, I also enjoyed Hostel, the second one was alright but the third was shit. And a human Centerpede kind of makes me wonder what mind frame you need to be in to even think of a concept like that.

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      5. I agree about Rob Zombie. Sicko.

        You know, I’ve never sat through A Clockwork Orange. I’ve heard all about it. Honestly, I’m not a Kubrick fan. I don’t like his eye. I don’t like his pacing. Maybe I should just pick up the book version.

        People have been telling me to see Hostel. Haven’t watched it yet…

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      6. The book is honestly more disturbing then the film. And it’s written in a almost Shakespearean in the way that he’s made up his own language, but it’s very short so I don’t know, it’s one of my favourite films but I normally like Kubrick. And Hostel is alright, just a bunch of stupid over sexed teenage boys from America that get got by some rich man cult who bid on torturing tourists. It’s pretty offensive to Europeans but you don’t feel too bad about them getting tortured. You can see some Tarantino is the style, and it’s only offensive to Europeans in the sense that they did absolutely no research on the countries or anything. It’s average.

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      7. Mmm. Got some film…can’t remember the title, but the premise is stupid tourists get taken for body parts in foreign country. Hostel sounds similar.

        lol! Lack of research is fairly common in films. I think most of the time it’s laughed off. Of course, I’ve not talked to anyone here about the films yet.

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      8. Is that movie Touristas? I haven’t seen it just looked it up then. I find it funny about Hostel is that most think they got tortured in Amsterdam but they end up being told to go to Syria which is where they get tortured… It’s stupid but clearly the movie wasn’t about locations. I have a few movie review blogs I’m subscribed to, I like discussing movies but I’m no professional reviewer so that’s why I haven’t written about films much. I think this rant will be one of a kind on the subject.

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      9. You made me go look at the wall of DVDs…It’s called Paradise Lost. Ah! Yes! Same film; different name. Got it from the UK.

        *snort* Well, it does happen. Like really rarely. It would be akin to making a film about drowning from a flash flood in the Gobi desert, methinks.

        Rant away on films! 😉 I like reading what you have to say.

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  3. Thanks, I consider myself pretty hardened on the subject, I don’t get grossed out by much anymore so it’s easier to be objective. That person was more offensive in the way they talked about people then the movies that felt were offensive.

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